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Gebaseerd op 35 reviews gevonden in 2 websites

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The food was tasty, they asked immediately what we wanted to drink, and the menu arrived quickly. The food was also served quickly. The staff was friendly. The toilet could use a fresh coat of paint, but it was also quite clean and not expensive.

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C Kormelink . 2026-09-13

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The most child-friendly place we have ever been! Gigantic playground, both indoors and outdoors, suitable for all ages. The waitresses are great with children. The pancakes are good too; we didn't try the rest of the food. It's a shame we don't live nearby, but highly recommended for anyone with children!

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Aurelie Girbes . 2026-09-12

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Pancakes, who doesn't like pancakes? If you haven't tasted Dutch pancakes, then you've missed something delicious. Here in this Pancake House we got delicious pancakes, or more correctly, pancakes with different fillings. We can only recommend it if you come by. You won't be disappointed.

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Drive 4you . 2026-09-08

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We have been here a few times already. The children love it. That is also the only reason we keep coming back. On our previous visit, we had made a reservation, and we thought we would get a table outside given the nice weather. That wasn't possible, because the outdoor tables couldn't be reserved. So this time we went without a reservation. We were turned away because there wasn't enough staff; after all, without a reservation, they don't count on more people. This is very peculiar... I can understand staff shortages, but that is a different matter than when you aren't allowed to make reservations on the terrace and you simply don't adjust your staff accordingly. Our children were hugely disappointed...

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Mariska Buurs . 2026-09-06

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Bad pancake for a reasonable price. We had to wait a very long time for our drinks and our food, so all in all, I wouldn't want to come back here.

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A de Vries . 2026-08-28

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Enjoy a snack at this lovely restaurant dedicated to children. Friendly staff, a superb terrace, and delicious crepes.

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Anne-Cé Will . 2026-08-26

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Unfortunately, the pancakes were not fully cooked and lacked flavor. I have eaten much better ones before. The staff was friendly. Definitely not recommended, unfortunately. A bit of faded glory, in need of a major makeover. It wasn't very clean.

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Joke van Olst . 2026-08-23

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Certainly not the most modern pancake restaurant, but excellent for families. Various play options for children both inside and outside. Not the newest equipment, but that isn't really necessary. The food was fine. The prices are very reasonable.

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leo schaars . 2026-08-17

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Amazing place for families with children! The staff works hard and are very helpful and friendly! Sadly not a huge amount of high chairs.. Great pancakes, but for those with lactose intolerance the pancakes are flavourless as they're made with water.

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Marlies Neal-Verkerk . 2026-08-16

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Very nice, clean and well maintained playground. Amazingly good prices for food and drinks. These kind of places are hard to find in NL.

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Jos Wilbrink . 2026-08-11

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Friendly service ! 👍 Delicious / good & you get plenty to eat here 👌 Highly recommended 👍

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Coletta Riedijk . 2026-08-10

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The pancakes could have been cooked longer; they were barely done and nothing special. You need quite a bit of patience to eat here because the service isn't very fast either.

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Britt Veldhuizen . 2026-08-10

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We ate here with our children and had a fun evening! The children aged 5 to 12 all had a great time and enjoyed their meal!

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Frits Haverkamp . 2026-08-08

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Enjoy a nice lunch. Children can have a wonderful time playing in the indoor and outdoor playgrounds.

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Kim Coolen . 2026-08-08

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Great place to eat a pancake. The children can play nicely in the extensive playground.

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Jelmer van der Meer . 2026-07-31

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A nice place to go with children! The large playground is a real plus. The children can entertain themselves for hours while you sit quietly on the terrace. That makes it a pleasant destination for families. The pancakes were fine, but there are plenty of other things on the menu. The service was friendly and the atmosphere is cozy and child-friendly. All in all, a nice location, especially because of the playground; it is definitely recommended for families with children.

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Deesje Ha . 2026-07-30

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Had a delicious meal! Playground fun for young and old. Good food at a very good price. Relaxed and incredibly cozy!

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brenda ten Veen . 2026-07-26

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A nice place for the children to play, where mom and dad can enjoy a snack and a drink on the terrace. We also had a bite to eat there several times, and it offered good value for money; it was tasty. We also had a BBQ buffet there with the family, and it was very delicious and cozy, all together under the canopy.

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Robbie Veldwijk . 2026-07-24

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The staff is nice, the pancakes are not too big but tasty.

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christine du moulin . 2026-07-13

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The food really wasn't much to write home about; the carpaccio came straight from the supermarket... one of those ready-made DIY things... The pancakes really weren't tasty and the spareribs were way too overcooked. We ordered a drink once, not because we didn't want to order more, but simply because no one came by anymore, even though it really wasn't busy.

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Amber De Jong . 2026-07-08

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Tasty pancakes, and a big plus is that every pancake can also be ordered gluten-free. However, our pancakes did seem undercooked. The service was friendly and the value for money is good. The atmosphere was a bit disappointing due to the neglected maintenance of the adjacent playground, which detracts from the surroundings. All in all, a fine place to eat a pancake, especially if you want to order gluten-free.

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Isaak . 2026-07-07

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A really nice place with friendly staff and delicious food. According to my brother-in-law, it was the best pancake he had ever eaten, and I can also highly recommend the Spanish Chicken sandwich.

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Johan van Essen . 2026-07-05

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Good, fast service. Great location for children young and old. Tasty food prepared quickly.

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Jim Egas . 2026-06-07

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Really delicious pancakes and very friendly service

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Ron Westerbaan . 2026-06-04

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Delicious food, a fun and extensive playground, and friendly staff!

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Marlexa S . 2026-06-04

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Basically a pancake house, but there is also a (small) menu with other dishes. No-nonsense good food. Not amazing. Non-smoking terrace and children's playground.

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René Slagers . 2026-06-02

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Fine pancakes, nothing wrong with them.

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Art Pickert . 2026-05-18

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What a terrible experience, a big mess, inexperienced staff, pancake undercooked, way too thick, long wait time, raw chicken satay. We are never going here again.

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Jan bakker . 2026-05-16

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A bit of traffic, but a delicious brownie with ice cream and whipped cream!

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Light your World . 2026-04-09

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Friendly service. Prices reasonable. Food of average quality.

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Marco de Jager . 2026-04-05

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We were the first to arrive around lunchtime. After 15 to 20 minutes, the place was quite full.

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Gerrie Wenneker . 2026-03-17

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Nice and cozy pancake restaurant. Due to the bad and cold weather, the children were unable to use the outdoor playground.

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Jeroen van Niel . 2026-03-14

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Well, a bit of faded glory. Lots of old stuff, little maintenance, or things broken. The weather was beautiful for days, but they hadn't set up the outdoor terrace yet, so many people had to sit inside or just stayed for a while. Missed opportunity! Also, the pancakes we ordered were too thick and not fully cooked. It's a prime location, lots of cyclists and tourists, so make sure everything is in order, including your appearance, so you can take full advantage of that.

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JRS . 2026-03-09

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Great food, not a lot of choice but that makes it clear 😁

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Daniël Zuijdwegt . 2026-02-26

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A great place to enjoy a pancake after a walk in the area. Dogs are welcome too!

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Annelies Mooij . 2026-02-21

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Unfortunately, I ate pancakes there today. Some were floury and too thick. One was half-cooked and uneaten. A comment about this went unanswered. A missed opportunity for customer loyalty.

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Ellen van der Meulen . 2026-02-07

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Cozy place, friendly staff. The food was good. Nice playground for the kids, though there's some overdue maintenance here and there. A fresh coat of paint and a few new door handles wouldn't be a bad idea. Beautiful location and on-site parking. All in all, highly recommended; we'll definitely be back.

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Geurt van Hierden . 2026-01-25

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Yes! What a lovely place. One of the few places in the area where they cater to everyone. Even vegans can enjoy fantastic food here. The vegan pancakes are truly delicious. No watery batter, just good and flavorful. They also have savory dishes, like chicken satay and stew, which are also vegan-friendly. The satay was deliciously seasoned and tender. And even vegan mayonnaise! They've thought of everything. It's always nice to be surprised in unexpected places. This makes us feel extra welcome here at our vacation destination. Oh, and the waitress: fantastic! Friendly, quick, and helpful. If we're ever in the area again, we know where we'll be eating. Thanks for a wonderful evening!

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Daisy Scholte . 2026-01-02

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Great food, including completely gluten-free pancakes and dinner options. Huge play area for the kids.

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Thijs Fischer . 2025-12-28

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Perfect, nothing more to do! The kitchen is especially good!

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Daan Ter Hove . 2025-12-12

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I had pancakes for lunch today, and the first bite wasn't quite done. I continued eating them anyway because Grandma was treating me. I felt nauseous the rest of the afternoon. You're not supposed to serve them like that. My wife's pancake wasn't done either.

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Familie Timmer . 2025-11-30

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We had a wonderful meal with the whole family. The waitresses were SUPER ATTENTIVE, FRIENDLY, AND WORKED QUICKLY! The grandchildren had a great time playing outside.

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Peter van As . 2025-11-22

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So nice, cozy, relaxing, great staff

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Leentje de vries . 2025-11-09

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Delicious food. Friendly staff. Great for kids. Playground included.

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Gerdajonkheid Jonkheid . 2025-10-17

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Nice playground (outdoors and indoors) at the pancake restaurant

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M K . 2025-10-16

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I have to follow a gluten-free diet. All pancakes here are also available gluten-free.

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R. Weilmünster . 2025-10-16

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The restaurant lacked atmosphere; the pancakes were mediocre, just barely cooked through. We were there for lunch; perhaps it's more lively in the evening.

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Franka Dinnissen . 2025-10-16

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Unfortunately, we had to wait two hours for our pancakes. The waiter was nowhere to be seen to take our drink orders. After waiting two hours, I went to the server myself to ask how the food was going. The food was delicious. However, to our great surprise, there was a live spider at the bottom of the salad. After this, our appetite quickly vanished. We mentioned this to the staff, and they reacted with surprise. Beyond that, there was no response or apology. When we paid, the staff also asked if everything was to our liking. We explained that the food was delicious, but the spider in the food had really ruined our appetite. To our surprise, there was no response to this either.

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Eric Rensen . 2025-09-28

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The pancake was good but small. I had the stew, which was just very sour. When I paid, it was very expensive for a beer and a soda, 53 euros. I told them the meat was very bad (and also showed them I'd left it there), and they replied that tastes differ and I ran into the kitchen. I paid, but I'll never go back.

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Kouwen906@hotmail.com Pdlh43 . 2025-08-30

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Super fun for the kids, delicious food, and all for very reasonable prices. Highly recommended!

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Lisette Timmerman . 2025-08-27

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Nice playground, stubborn staff.

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Ruud Th . 2025-08-26

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Delicious food and lots of fun for the kids! We had a great evening!

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Erwin Tijhof . 2025-08-22

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We love coming here. There's a really fun corn maze from July to September, with a treasure hunt for the kids. There's also plenty of indoor and outdoor play, and a lovely terrace to sit under the trees. Everything could use a bit of a makeover, but the very reasonable prices make up for that.

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Sanne van L . 2025-08-21

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After waiting for over half an hour, no one was at the table. Then it was time to stop. Goodbye and goodbye.

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Arwin Van Ginkel . 2025-08-17

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A wonderful place to refuel. Good food and great service. The food is fresh, and the pancakes are prepared on the spot. Even if you're not craving pancakes, you can still find a great selection of other dishes! A great place for parents to enjoy a quiet meal and a drink. A large, well-organized playground with plenty to do!

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Esmii Daniels-Klink . 2025-08-15

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Een pannenkoek zo wit als dat het meisje zag toen ze kwam bedienen. Was druk geweest zei ze. De pannenkoek was absoluut niet gaar. Dus werd meegenomen toen ik het zei en er werd een nieuwe gebakken. Ook deze smaakte niet pannenkoekhuiswaardig. Toen ik bij het afrekenen zei dat ie niet lekker was vond de serveerster het nodig dit door de zaak te roepen naar de kok, "Die vrouw vond het nog niet lekker" Toen ik achter haar aanliep en zei dat ze dit wel wat zachter kon zeggen zei ze ooh ik dacht ik zeg het effe. Jammer ,nooit meer ,voortaan naar een echt pannenkoekenhuis.

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Gizella S . 2025-08-14

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The restaurant is a bit older, but the children (6 and 8 years old) loved the playground! The pancakes were delicious and fluffy. We were pleasantly surprised by the vegetarian options outside the pancake menu. The food was delicious and the service was friendly, but you do need to take your time, and with a large playground, a longer wait isn't a problem. One thing to note: The wasp traps are hanging, but not filled.

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Indi Indi . 2025-08-14

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Just coffee and cake, service was fast.

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Tonnie Peters . 2025-08-10

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Delicious food. Good value for money. Wide selection, something for everyone. Friendly staff. Nice decor. On the downside, it's located on a road with quite a lot of traffic.

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Leendert Troost . 2025-08-07

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We only played mini golf here (2 adults and 3 small children). The courses could definitely use some updating. However, the price is very low (€1.50 per person). Free parking. Therefore, 4 stars overall. All in all, this was a fun activity to do with our children. A great and affordable outing!

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Mauries Huizer . 2025-08-07

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Delicious pancakes (even lactose-free pancakes) and the dessert was also fine.

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Daphne Aardenburg . 2025-08-01

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We hebben er geluncht. De aanwezigheid van de speeltuin is voor een gezin met kinderen fantastisch. Al zijn veel toestellen nog wel uit de oude tijd en mogelijk niet meer current. Toezicht houden dus. De lunch was prima, geen uitschieters naar boven of beneden. De wespen waren wel nadrukkelijk aanwezig. Zowel de speeltuin als de kaart kan een stukje verjonging gebruiken. Lees dit (achteraf) ook terug in bijna elke review. Personeel was een voldoende in ons geval.

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CaptainHolland . 2025-07-28

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What a disappointment! Yesterday we went to eat at De Brugkabouter with the whole family (6 adults and 2 children (an almost 2-year-old and a 3-month-old baby)). However, it all went terribly wrong, and we definitely won't be back! - The playground is fun for little ones, but it could use some maintenance. - The changing station is right behind the door to the men's restroom, so you keep getting the door in your back. The changing station itself is very dirty, and the inflatable changing mat is leaking. - They had run out of many things; for example, we couldn't order lemonade, tomato soup, or carpaccio. - We had to wait 45 minutes for the appetizer and then another 45 minutes for the main course. - What we received didn't match what we ordered. My son got a pancake without cheese, and after asking three times, they rudely threw a handful of cheese on it, and he got the pancake right back. One of the adults ordered a schnitzel without sauce and was given it anyway. Fortunately, the sauce was in a separate container, so this wasn't a problem. - Clearing the table took a very long time. - We weren't offered dessert, even though some of us had ordered a three-course meal. - A scoop of ice cream was missing from the dessert, but after asking twice, we received one. - In total, we spent 3.5 hours at the restaurant (5:30 PM to 9:00 PM). This is way too long for small children. Both children were completely fed up. We regretted ordering the three-course meal; if we had known it would take so long, we would have only ordered a main course. When we left, we expressed our dissatisfaction with how the evening had gone. We were then told there was a shortage of staff. It's a real shame to have too few staff, of course, but then you shouldn't be accepting so many reservations. The people working now simply couldn't keep up. I felt really sorry for one of the waitresses who was clearly running herself ragged, but couldn't handle the crowd. It would be a huge help if they'd told us upon arrival that the wait time per course is 45 minutes. Then you'd know what to expect and be able to choose what you want and what's convenient for you.

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Manuela Rutten . 2025-07-28

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Small pancake, not very crispy. Tasted okay, but nothing special. The atmosphere in the restaurant is terrible: no music, ugly interior, terribly dull gray color, and decor that doesn't fit a PKhuis at all. Service was also terrible; I had to keep asking for someone. However, the playground for children up to 10 years old is super fun.

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Riet Meer van der . 2025-07-26

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We had to wait a while for our food, but it was worth it. We all enjoyed our meals. The staff was also super friendly. There's also a nice playground.

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Patricia Meister . 2025-07-23

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We simply had delicious pancakes. We went for dinner with 5 people. 1. Very friendly service. 2. The pancakes were served quickly even though it was quite busy. 3. We were able to chat pleasantly. Did we already mention that the service was very friendly?

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het zijlteam . 2025-07-16

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Leuke locatie, echt iets van te maken. Eten, dikke onvoldoende, pannenkoeken dik, wit en klef. De kok is niet echt een aanwinst voor het bedrijf. Personeel niet allemaal even vriendelijk. Dus bezem erdoor en opknappen, vernieuwen een andere kok en personeel. Anders is het helaas niet restaurant waardig.

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s v . 2025-07-14

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Buiten speelterrein voor kinderen erg leuk binnen geen enkele kleurplaat te vinden. Ook personeel kon geen kleurplaat vinden. Pannenkoeken niet na onze smaak en waren ook niet gaar. De dames aangegeven dat het niet na wens was. Leek net of ze niet hoorde wat er werd gezegt. Wij gaan niet meer terug. Jammer zo je vakantie af te sluiten.

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Manon V . 2025-07-13

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Nice restaurant with a nice playground for the children.

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Paul Voogt . 2025-07-06

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Nice place especially for kids.

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Paul . 2025-06-30

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Had a nice afternoon. It was very quiet. Service nice. Children of 6 have been entertained for a few hours.

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Tina Vdh . 2025-06-27

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Great food. Playground equipment is not state of the art, but is adequate.

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Berry Bruineberg . 2025-06-26

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Had a delicious pancake and a delicious dessert with tasty chocolate sauce, the service was great and the price was reasonable, definitely recommended

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h bolt . 2025-06-17

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Delicious pancakes eaten at Frittella in Papendrecht

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Jan van de Giessen . 2025-06-06

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Vroeger een dikke 10 Het was jarenlang een fantastische leuke plek en heerlijk eten geweest maar....... De laatste jaren....... Nu een mager 5 Nu is het vervallen,eten niet lekker en duurt te lang.,speeltuin is verouderd en mag wel eens flink opgeknapt worden. Zooo jammer van zoo.n prachtige locatie En er is veeeeel meeer uit te halen! Kom op ondernemer!! Schouders er onder en er weer iets van maken.

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Corry d . 2025-05-16

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Went last Saturday. Plus: Great playground for the children Minus: After ordering, our bread arrived in advance after about 1 hour. After almost 2 hours I asked where the pancakes were: "In 10 minutes". 25 minutes later we finally got them (waited 2+ hours), while the restaurant was barely half full. Half of the pancakes were not yet cooked. Not recommended

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Remco Vd Wekken . 2025-05-09

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We made a reservation around half past seven and were able to order after 40 minutes by pushing at the counter. Then it took another 30 minutes before we got our food. The Veluwe pancake was fine, the French pancake (standard without honey?) was very filled with thick slices of brie. Personally, I think there are better proportions.

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Jochem van der drift . 2025-05-04

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Great for a meal with children. Large outdoor playground and there is also a small indoor area. The play equipment is not the newest, but everything is fine. Pancakes delicious, would come again.

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Florian . 2025-04-18

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Lekker pannenkoeken gegeten voor een schappelijke prijs. Dochter van drie heeft zich lekker kunnen uitleven in de hele grote buitenspeeltuin.

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Erwin T . 2025-04-06

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Service and food is very bad. The pancakes are very greasy, I ordered a salad without onion due to an allergy, had to send it back twice because it contained onion and had an allergic reaction to it. I had to pay for it at checkout even though I only had a few bites of it. And she claimed there was no onion in it. Also very unhygienic, there were old pieces of pancakes everywhere on the floor

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Roos . 2025-03-23

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Pancakes were quite tasty. Not very special, but not expensive either. Interior is a bit dated. Inside and outside are play areas for children. Looks pretty tired, but functions.

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Maarten . 2025-03-06

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Very fun for small children, nice atmosphere. The talking cards are also fun for older children. Food is also very tasty.

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R Schot . 2025-02-27

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What a disappointment. I've eaten a lot of pancakes before, but these were really disappointing. I ordered an apple/cinnamon/raisin pancake, but what I got was more like a cinnamon explosion. As if someone had enthusiastically run off with a whole can of cinnamon. See the photo – balance was hard to find here. The play equipment itself is fun for small children, which is a plus. But clean? Absolutely not. The indoor playground had a musty smell and loose wiring, and it seemed like it hadn't been properly cleaned in a while. Not really a nice environment. All in all, I wouldn't recommend this "pancake restaurant". For a better experience I would eat somewhere else.

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mttvdw. . 2025-02-27

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The tastiest pancakes we have ever eaten!!

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R. Dam. . 2025-02-17

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Restaurant a bit dated, playground equipment for children in need of maintenance.

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John . 2025-02-07

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Bread plank beforehand, pancake and ice cream afterwards. Kids can play there. Menu as a mushroom.

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Durk Bouma . 2024-12-28

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Great place for kids I think. We had a delicious mustard soup and a delicious sandwich here. Very friendly service. Definitely recommended.

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Lucas Van de paer . 2024-12-10

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Slightly older restaurant, not very modern. Pancakes were good, but not filling enough. Too bad that 15 euros won't fill you up. We both made a sandwich at home later that evening.

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Patrick Baardman . 2024-11-20

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The atmosphere was less, but we were also alone in the restaurant and it was autumn. I think that in the Omer it is pleasantly busy here. Pancakes and omelettes were fine.

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Monique Bruijnes -Goldstein . 2024-11-18

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I think people earn it too easily. No explanation for the map. Blunt cutlery and pancakes that are too thick.

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Freddy Meijer . 2024-11-02

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The haunted house isn't the only thing that's scary. Everything is very old and not completely safe anymore. Pancakes were tasty, but they forgot about us (6 people) so it took a little too long with 2 small children.

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Neil De Kriek . 2024-10-19

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A nice cozy restaurant with pleasant service

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Ronald de Lange . 2024-10-12

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Eating delicious pancakes. Hadn't made a reservation, but a place was organised. 👍

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Barjo Keij . 2024-10-11

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Cozy restaurant. You just have to be very patient...eating takes about 1.5 hours. Wasn't very tasty either. In short, we will not return here again.

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Roos Stringa . 2024-09-28

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Very nice playground. But the food and service are just very mediocre.

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Renze Hoevers . 2024-09-26

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Een driegangen menu genomen. Heerlijk gegeten. En keurige bediening door meiden met een glimlach......waar maak je dat nog mee.

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Rob P . 2024-09-22

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Nice restaurant with fun activities for the kids. The food was fine and the price nice. Really recommended.

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Ron Schellingerhout . 2024-09-21

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Nice place for a children's party

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Rick de Waal . 2024-09-18

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Beautiful pancake restaurant with large playground. Very fun for children. Food is good and service is friendly

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Marco Streefland . 2024-09-17

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Genuinely delicious food. The friendly service deserves to be managed a little better. Tonight I had to get the menu myself twice, had to ask to order and was served the wrong thing (that was resolved very quickly! So great). So it all takes a bit of time (perhaps more than necessary) and people often 'walk around empty-handed'. All in all, perhaps a bit inexperienced, but certainly very friendly and of good will. So the food was delicious. I had the well seasoned Texas chicken pancake. A little bit of Texan vegetables (pepper, corn or a bean) would have taken the dish to a higher level in my opinion. Now I placed the lettuce (which also contained corn) over it. It was served as standard. The pancakes themselves are wonderfully fluffy and slightly thicker. Bonus: triple Karmeliet on tap 🍺. Perhaps it makes sense to say: We were there on a Sunday.

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Steven Dekker . 2024-09-15

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